Category: Garage Sale
Hi everyone. I have a grade 2 braille NKJV Bible, free for anyone who wants it. It is twenty hardcover volumes. There are included introductions before each book.I have had it for around ten years, but it is still in excellent condition. Thank you for looking.
Good luck getting rid of it; if you can't, you can always donate it to your local library, which I did.
Thanks for the suggestion. I might have to do that. I guess I could try BlindBargains first, though.
True, and use Free Matter for shipping; otherwise, I bet you it would be a small fortune.
Hey Manderson, i wonder if someone over seas would take it? Their are loads of blind people who might enjoy it that doesn't live in a place wear recieving braille is so easy. Try to look in to it...
Hey, I might be able to take that Bible from you; i go to a Christian school and there are mission trips all the time for students. The thing would be I'd have to find someone who was overseas, spoke English, and read the actual English Braille code. Miranda?? Wow, can't believe it's you! How's your buddy doing? Your dog, that is. I can't remember his name, maybe Magnum?
NO NO Nathan, His name is Magnus.
And since I am not sure when she will be back on, He is doing well.
Oh, wow, I had that one completely wrong. I'll be getting another one soon.
That's a good idea Nicky. I will look into it. Definitely let me know if you find someone Nathan. That would be awesome. I'm good. How have you been? It's ok, most of the people I know call him Magnum or Mangus or even Magnet, lol. When do you go to get your new dog?
I'm probably going to offend someone here, but that is not my intent.
I hope you can give the Bible to someone in a developed nation, not some missionary in a poor country and here is why:
Before the Internet, in the 70s and 80s, a majority of the Braille written out for the blind in the U.S. was often of a religious nature. I am not a Christian anymore but if you are one, think about this:
If the only material someone has is religious, they actually do not choose to be Christian. You have the free will answer for how bad things happen? Okay, follow that to its obvious conclusion: someone who only has the Bible to read in Braille does not technically have free will. Choice actually comes from knowledge and knowledge comes from a multiplicity of sources and ideas.
All the technology and science that you personally benefit from in order to read this post illustrates that very well. It's in the competition of ideas that the ultimate best choice wins out.
So if you give the Bible to a blind poor person who has no alternative reading materials, and then that person later learns of an outside world, that person may well become twice the unbeliever that I am. At least I had the advantage of National Geographic and other things.
There is a reason some of us call Fundamentalist churches atheist factories.
So, my opinion, give it to someone in a developed nation who has access to a whole host of other materials from different points of view on the subject.
Just my thoughts and feel free to flame. It is not said to be hurtful, but it is in fact heartfelt. Although coming out of woo-land has been a struggle, it was never the tumultuous turmoil that being in it was. I am quite happy to be master of my own mind.
I definitely see where you are coming from Leo. And no, I wouldn't want a person to be dragged into Christianity. But I don't think it's the Bible alone that would or wouldn't bring said person to Jesus. I believe that it is God Himself Who calls to us, asking us to be His children, whether that's through the Bible, or another person, or even through the person reading the Satanic Bible, lol. He can use whatever He wants. So if that person reads the Bible, and isn't called by God at that time to become a believer, it's not going to happen. If they are called, then they have the choice to say yes or no.
I do hear what you are saying, knowledge is power, and I agree that it is. But I also believe that when it comes to God, knowledge only goes so deep. There is also experience, and love, and faith.
"May He grant you out of the rich treasury of His glory to be strengthened and reinforced with mighty power in the inner man by the [Holy] Spirit [Himself indwelling your innermost being and personality]. May Christ through your faith [actually] dwell (settle down, abide, make His permanent home) in your hearts! May you be rooted deep in love and founded securely on love, That you may have the power and be strong to apprehend and grasp with all the saints [God’s devoted people, the experience of that love] what is the breadth and length and height and depth [of it]; [That you may really come] to know [practically, through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]!" Ephesians 3:16-19
I know that was somewhat long, but I can never resist the Amplified version, lol.
No flaming from me at least. I appreciate your concern and want to hear your oppinions.
My wife used to read out of that version.
Your passage was not as long as the Psalm 91 she read to me before I went on a business trip once. It was upon her insistence. She was worried, and I, well, I've flown quite a bit on business so wasn't worried about being out of country. But she took that really long passage as a personal prayer, if that makes sense.
Now here's the part you and she would call a testimony and I would say there's a practical explanation: My colleague on the trip got sick. Quite sick in fact. I got not a bit of sickness. I do have a stalwart immune system, and to a scientific mind, 50 50 odds is not really evidence. But here's the real point: She really cared for me. And so maybe when I was younger, and even a Christian, I was vocal and said that it was scientifically explainable, I forever accept what She did as Hers. I don't see evidence for it controlling the outcome, but I accept and embrace Her love. Even if some Christians told me I was hardening my heart. Ironically, now that I am not trying to make sense of any of it anymore, I am never vocal to Her about those things: I accept those things as part of Her.
I know the schools for the blind won't take Braille Bibles, because there's an issue of separation between church and state. However, let me check with a few people, and I'll get back to you. I don't know when I will get my next dog, though I already had my home interview a couple of weeks ago.
its been a long time since I read the bible, and most versions I read I go "Huh " too.
Johnny boy, it depends on who you ask. I could send you passages in a private message that look very much like the ancient world's 9/11, where the Israelis were acting like Bin Laden, knocking over cities, stoning chicks, even burning people to death. Makes about as much sense as 9/11 did.
But I'm not doing it here, so as not to inflict injury on the dove that is the original poster.
She, however, would probably send you others.
other passages, or the same passages in simpler words
there is a difference....
.
Thank you Nathan. I appreciate it.
That's ok, Leo. I've read those passages too, and they are extremely hard for me to swallow. I'm still working on having faith in God, in His Holiness and Goodness and Love in light of those passages. But I say in light of, because God is light. The things that happened in those passages, which I can't stomach, came from God, because it was ultimatley God's battle, not the Israelites. Maybe someday I will understand, maybe I won't. In the meantime I am going to have faith in the LORD, and keep trying to understand. It is hard, though, sometimes; and I'm not even the person who is going through those things. Thank you, for your consideration.
I know what you mean, John. I used to read the KJV. I still like it, but I don't use it for regular reading.
some people bitch that if you use a simpler bible, that the translation is lost. hell some bitch that even if you use an English bible that the translation is lost cause wasn't it written in well. hmm. bnot sure what it was written in . I wanna say greek or hebrew but don't quote me on those.
I'm a simple guy. I need simple. I don't care if its the bible or something else.... I get lost in harder things.
ok, we're really goin off topic now.
but such is the nature of these boards, I suppose. smile.
Yep, Greek and Hebrew. I've heard people say that also. Actually, though, from what I've heard, one of the more simple versions is also one of the most accurate--the New American Standard Bible. It's one of my dreams to study Greek and Hebrew. I believe God has kept His Word accurate through all the languages and the versions, but Greek and Hebrew are such rich languages. There's a Hebrew word meaning a certain type of love. In English we just see the word love, except in versions like the Amplified where the translators try to expand on what is being meant. But the transliteration of that Hebrew word is to chase down one's prey, to fall upon it and to eat it. Ok, now I've really gone off topic, lol.
woah. you really lost me on the chaseing treys and eating things.
that sounds like the love of food.... lol no seriously it really does.
Hi,
Sorry, I haven't been able to find a home for your Bible yet. But, I'm going to check with the library today and get back with you. There is a Greek word meaning love too, which I think isAgathy. Think I spelled that one wrong. At my school, they teach Hebrew and Greek, have never taken either of those classes, though. Usually, I read from an English Standard version, but sometimes, if I don't understand something, I'll read from the Message, which is a very simple Bible that even children can understand.
Nathan.
I heard the message is a bad bible and doesn't pretrey god like he's suppose to be pretreyedd.
I don't know about 'bad' or what the bronze-age deity wants or does not want.
But the Message is not a translation, it is a paraphrase. For a very thoughtful (if Christian-biased) modern translation, consider the New Living Translation. That is the one I used as I was still trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. It has high marks for translation, of the most newly-available archeological sourced material.
Note, it is not a transliteration. But as anyone who has worked as a translator will tell you, transliteration is an extremely bad idea. It would have gotten me fired from my government job in the 1980s working at the Immigration service.
I don't know very many of these translations, but was attracted to the New Living out of search for distilled authenticity, which in my case I did not find. That is no fault of the translation, however.
For an objective look, you may want to research the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. Christians will claim that is biased, but that is because they are believers and don't understand how the mechanics of skepticism works. Theirs is a world of confirmation biases and special pleading.
One problem with translation of religious texts is in fact bias. You probably didn't know, but a family member is not authorized to translate another family member's documents for the Federal Government. So a son may not translate his mother's birth certificate from Spanish into English, is not even allowed to act as interpreter in a federal proceeding. The reason for this is bias. This translator's dilemma of mine is one reason I could never really be a Christian as many are, as the original poster is. Nor is it my aim to convert you. Skepticism has no converts, and rationality has no disciples.
But there you have it: an analytical look at translations. If what you want is a faith-based look at translations, talk to such as the Ooriginal Poster of this topic, or maybe Nathan. But each group has its preferred translations, and its reasons for doing so. It's not because they're fighting, it's just the fractious nature of faith and its supporting memes.
Woe Nathan, that is awesome that your school offers classes on Greek and Hebrew! I get my schedule soon and will find out if I am taking any Greek or Hebrew in the fall. I do like the way the Message tries to put things in a modern way, but I haven't read it enough to see it portraying God wrongly. The translater himself says that it is a paraphrase, though. I didn't know that the New Living got high marks for translation, I'll have to check it out. I will look into the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, too. I can see what you mean about bias, God's family translating God's Word. But if we misconstrue it, then we are going against the very God of the truth we were supposed to be representing and sharing. It is a good point, though. Maybe we should have translaters who don't believe in God on the teams of workers, along with translaters who do believe. That way an eye could be kept out for bias.
If you want a very accessible Bible app for IOS, use the Uversion. It's nice; you can find the message there.
You still got it?
I'm interested.
Hi Mockingjay. I still have the Old Testament, if you are interested in it.
Hmmmm. But you don't have any of the new left?
Any idea where I can get the new?
Yes, I'm interested in the old testament though.
PQN/PM me for details on where to send it too.